>> tucker: what was your view of violence? >> violence, there is shifty way people talk about it. direct action and diversity of the tactics, a subtle way to say if somebody wants to be violent we'll turn our head and be okay with it. >> tucker: so it's not a nonviolent movement? >> no, no, no. >> tucker: how did you get into it? >> i was a pretty unhappy teenager. i'm told that happens a lot to teenagers. i went looking for an explanation. i ended up reading a lot of radical literature and i found more and more radical literature until i found things that explained happiness wasn't something you had more control over. capitalism was keeping you down. >> tucker: yes. what spurred you to leave it? >> there were, i think two components. there was, there are nasty people in scene. i got mixed up with somebody