as a wind drum in snow -- >> you don't know the things she's done behind the scenes. i know where the bodies are hiding. >> i've never run for office. >> let me say this thing running, if he is already giving interviews to the media, like he did this morning, that probably means -- you can check me on this, emily, he doesn't have a lot more to say to either the special counsel or to the fbi. >> i was going to say to you a p.r. standpoint would be a different piece of advice as an attorney, i been the multiple sentencing and i've never been in my life seen a more dramatic or frankly pathetic exposition of my woe is me, this is why i did it, lamenting before the judge -- i've never seen such a lack of personal responsibility. have a vertebrae! >> just before the judge? >> going into the abc interview, which i would've never advised. >> something has changed, emily. i think the president, according