>> lisa: to be fair, president obama also had a policy of family separation for a period of time. that's the whole reason it came into play with obama as well -- >> melissa: hate on , do you get the sense he would give something big and exceed for the wall? isn't it a golden opportunity for democrats? >> harris: unfortunately we didn't get to that topic because we were all over the michael cohen -- i said at the end, "mr. president, i want to come back." and he said yes. based on what we know, to this point -- and you made a point, chris, that the pictures of the children and cages were from 2014. >> chris: yes, they weren't from -- >> jessica: it wasn't an administration policy. it's emotional because of how many thousands of kids separated from their -- >> chris: its emotion created by the media showing the pictures today.