win. jimmy carter, gerald ford. george w. bush george w. bush. the idea wosh to damage trump in the primaries so he could not win the election. >> senator jeff flake says whether or not he runs he wants to see somebody run against president trump. he doesn't think president trump is a great president. he wants to see him challenged. the idea would be to weaken president trump and possibly to hurt him down the road. but the risk is that you lose the presidency to democrats. if these republicans like senator flake or john kasich are wanting to that happen. >> bill: do you think kasich and flake would be substantial? >> i agree with my colleague. listening to president trump especially his comment about women is just like you sit there and go what? what is he talking about? >> bill: on that point, go ahead. roll it. >> president trump: i have tremendous women support but if