with the fisa applications. is it true that the bulk of the information came from the dossier that steele doesn't stand by? >> that's correct. not only came from the dossier, but steele hasn't been in russia in 20 years. so the people responsible for it could have easily in fact been agents of the russian government, which would mean hillary clinton is guilty of collusion. >> sean: a great irony there. you've been very critical, mark penn, of this process from the get go here as you should be. i don't -- i believe if we have a duel justice system -- i'm looking at taxi medallions, loan applications. no collusion here at all. this has gone so afar. i do see issues with russia with uranium one. that we had a spy within that network. we did have a lot of money kicked back in the end.