never plead, fight. >> always fight. never give in. >> tucker: don't talk voluntarily.vene >> take the fifth. that's why god made it. >> tucker: jimmy hoffa rule and by the way, i'm for that. joe, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: ken starr was the independent counsel during the clinton administration and recently wrote the u book, "contempt: a memoir of the clinton investigation." he joins us tonight. mr. starr, thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: nothing we have seen unearthed by the mueller investigation so far, at least pertaining to american citizens, relates to russian collusion. does it bother you that thesi investigation seems to have gone off on a tangent? >> i don't think it's a tangent. i've got a different perspective. not on the collusion point. i completely agree with joe. there is nothing about this that smacks of or even suggests collusion with the russians. but, just taking the documents that were filed at face value, and joe may call them into question, but just taking them for what they