doesn't have a lot of money. when a prosecutor says, you ever want to see your wife again? your son, your little grandchild? he's never going to see your grandchild. you are going to go to jail for the next 30 years -- don't worry. it scary for most people. >> but he had competent counsel, he never would have gone to jail. if he had fought this and lost he never would have gone to jail for a significant narrative time for offenses like this. >> laura: in an article he wrote for "the "the hill" about turkey? >> the guideline range of 0 to 6 months, he would have had that no matter what. that would have been his guideline range. so what's going on here, there was something else. there was a threat that was made against somebody -- >> laura: it's about his son. to speak about something else, you can believe two things at the same time. you can believe there was the seat of the fisa court and that i should be investigated and that people should be prosecuted if they were found to have lied about that, and you can also