empathetic all around here and that includes people who have legitimate concerns. but a lot of the concerns are stoked without a basis of reality. here is the problem that a lot of the immigrants that are part of the caravan are decent people fleeing violence or economic situations that are untenable. but they are victims all around because they are being victimized by the human traffickers and the smugglers that want to take advantage of them. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> there is an a.p. analysis that came out that 4,000 of the people disappeared in the last few years on the way. >> tucker: yes. >> in other words, the family has no idea what happened to them. they either got murdered or -- >> right. >> or worse along the way. so there is a legitimate humanitarian crisis of people taken advantage of. >> tucker: i agree with that. i totally agree. but i want to shine the light on the victims who don't get representation of any kind in the press. those are the citizens who are having to absorb large populations of -- i agree with you, largely decent people. i think most migrants want what i want.