honorably. and so now i'm free, and i'm free to set my own priorities. and my own priorities no longer involve soing the problems of the -- solving the problems of the world or trying to take legislative initiatives that might lift someone else up. dana: that was former president george h.w. bush on life after his presidency. now let's bring in anita mcbride who joins me on the phone as she's headed back to d.c., executive in residence at american university's center for congressional and presidential studies. she was also chief of staff to first lady laura bush, and you also have a very special relationship to your husband, of course, tim mcbride, who was a personal aide -- [laughter] to president bush. and so this is, i know, a loss that you feel very personally, anita. in the post-presidency, how did george and barbara bush try to figure out how to ease back in to civilian life? >> well, dana, as you know and you had a chance to see him often as well and just how active and busy that they were.