zero sum game, and nothing much gets done. and a lot got done in the '80 and early '90s with the sensibility of a reagan and a bush. and you talk about his modesty. the fact is that his mother, dorothy, very much told him not to use the word "i," which i guess is admirable when you're a kid, not necessarily so helpful or productive when you're the president of the united states, but he very much didn't like to use the "i" word, didn't like to brag about himself, and some people think that modesty, that self-depracation, self-effacement may have worked to his disadvantage as we got into the '90s and he faced bill clinton. dana: and yet he lived true to himself. i wanted to play a very special interview that took place in 999. -- 1999. this is former white house press secretary for 43, tony snow, who was also a bush 41 speech writer interviewing george h.w. bush about the letter writing. this is in 1999. take a listen. >> i've always felt life was