and rudy giuliani is pressing this further with an interview with nbc news citing that mueller treating manafort like a terrorist. and they report that they briefed giuliani and other member of the trump legal team about mueller's focus. giuliani says this joint defense agreement is normal but democrats say you couple that with the president holding open possibility of a pardon for manafort and they say it could be obstruction of justice. >> manafort is clearly putting all of his eggs in the trump pardon basket. he's gambling. it's a big gamble that trump will pardon him. he is playing both sides and he is completely untrustworthy. >> the president telling the "new york post" in an oval office interview about a manafort pardon, "it was never discussed but i wouldn't take it off the table. why would i take it off the table?" he added "the flipping stuff is terrible. you anyone and you lie. and you get, the prosecutors tell you 99% of time they can get people to flip."