it doesn't cheer me to have to say this. but vatican -- itself has spent 20,000 dollars on one of these shelters to get people all the way to mexico where people just hopped on freight trains and got into the the country. once they're in here there's a entireet sanctuary network of christian and other religious groups as well as -- those left wing, big billion dollar funded organizations. philanthropic organizations. >> what do you say about those who sayan that it is even bigger than that. it is -- some of the countries i've heard reports of -- of bolivia or venezuela or -- the, you know, bigger than just a, you know, sanctuary kind of effort. >> yeah. i think that you have to look at it as a transnational phenomenon and then, of course, we haven't even talked about the financial incentive to undermine our ouborders and whether is it the national u.s. chamber of commerce i'm not talking about the localne chapters.