it out but you can have dehydration, stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. in terms of the tocsin, after that, you have no symptoms, you can get dehydrated severe kidneys are shutting down. that can be much more dangerous. >> charles: e. coli, salmonella. always felt they were interchangeable in conversations but there is a distinct difference? >> there's a big difference. this strain of e. coli is what is dangerous. salmonella, i don't want to minimize it but it's really associated with raw or undercooked food. you can protect yourself from salmonella by really cooking or turkey. if you are having cake mix which is also brought up, don't have the raw batter on the side of the bowl that we all like to -- me too but the real part is what makes people sick. usually even if you do get sick from salmonella, it's not as