elected officer. the secretary of state cannot remove them. only the governor can. so they will be looking at this moving forward to make sure those same mistakes aren't repeated in this election. >> sandra: are you getting any sense as to how this is going to turn out? >> i wish i could say i were but again, i think what's so critical is that the laws are followed. there may be bad actors but what is critical is that they are not allowed to put forward their agenda. a philosopher scholar said in the end who we are when no one sees determines what we can do when everybody is looking. and so i'm hopeful, prayerful that the kind of integrity that we want to see in our elected officials will follow through and not unjustified means. >> bill: you remember the butterfly ballot of 18 years ago. that's been done away with.