mr. cohen and mr. paul manafort only worked with the government in august of this year, which is an judicial time, fairly short. >> neil: you mention the guilty pleas, you're quite right to point those out, in every case that you alluded to, center stomach senator, they were over financial improprieties, nothing off of contact with the russians, the reason that i menn it, do you think at the end whar comes out of the mueller probe, it will severe from russian connections to just nefarious financial transactions? >> i'm not sure if you can totally separate these, there have been lots of allegations made about russian money laundering. there has been a whole host of questions that frankly only people like mr. paul manafort can answer, there is a whole swirl around roger stone and some of the usace that has been used or not used by juliana sans and wikileaks that leaked a lot of the fact russian information about clinton. so i think that the jury is out