and this is so orwellian because leaving tribe out of it, nationalism is the anecdote to tribalism. we are all in different tribes. ignore our tribes, come together around the country, right? >> mike: and that's actually how functioning states get by. your principal identity is that you are an american in the eye america or you are a swede in sweden or you are a to the lewin into the loop. people look for other identities and it doesn't matter that racial identities or religious identical's he is a like islam, or identity is , you've tribe as the population and a person's sub identity becomes more important to them than the national identity. and that is an extremely dangerous experiment. because actually, nationalism is