you're born in this country isn't as black and white as it appears. it's nuanced and addressed again and again. the 14th amendment as i'm reading it here for you listen, all person born and naturallized in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction there of are citizens of the united states and of the state wherein they reside. your point is there's latitude for the president to say we've got to look at that. >> there's considerable latitude and considerable confusion about this topic. when the 14th amendment was written after the civil war, it was intended to deal with the slaves that had been freed by that war and make them citizens, but it raised this question what about everyone else who might be born in the united states? they said born or naturalized, but that wasn't enough. they added this phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof, which they debated. what does that mean? because it raised this question,