about the pentagon's ufo program. and this whole -- the rumors about area 51 and crashed ufos and trying to put some of this together and fly it ourselves, those rumors had gone away but then we had the story about the pentagon's program. we saw, of course, those videos of the navy jets chasing the ufos, and we now have some of the people involved in that program speaking out and saying, yes, there were these unknowns in our airspace. so it's not just aircraft lights and weather balloons. >> tucker: interesting. is there any indication of what it is then, if it's not just aircraft lights and weather balloons. >> we don't know. the whole trouble withks this, and this really links these two stories of the tonopah test range and the pentagon program. there have been this blurring of the lines, evene the phraseology, the pentagon's project was called advanced aerospace