>> well, i definitely think that this caravan is going make it up to our border. what i don't think the public understands, when they come to our border it's not like they'll come in one mass group. as they get close to the border generally speaking, they send to separate and spread out. then hit us in different places along the border. and i would expect to see the exact same thing in this one as well. unless of course they are strictly trying to make a political statement f that's the case, then they're going to try to hit us at the mid terms and do it en masse. >> have you dealt, has your organization dealt with this size, this group, this many people at a single moment? >> no, we haven't. this caravan is unprecedented in its size. but we have to go back to the april caravan and the way we dealt with that caravan. items what game rise to this. that car van played a high stakes game of chicken with the federal government. the federal government said if you come we will not release you under the catch and release