doesn't have the goods, so it comes across as a political statement intended to help his favorite, ron desantis, down in florida. >> martha: you don't see that "stone cold thief" statement -- >> i don't hold race got into that one. >> martha: i watch the whole thing. >> i don't think that is fair, but i think it is libelous. if you come out and say juan williams is a thief, why would you say such a thing? what evidence you have of that? >> martha: the thing with the "hamilton" tickets come i'm not saying it is substantiated, but the contest happening in that race, that is what he is talking about. >> if you say someone is a thief, i hope you have evidence beyond he took tickets from an undercover fbi agent. from the president's perspective, the ongoing probe into tallahassee corruption -- >> martha: he said that. >> but there is nothing in the fbi, they aren't saying he is the target. >> martha: they are investigating the office.