discrimination lawsuit by asian-american students. it shows the university has been reading its policies. university leaders who want a significantly less asian student body. it is hard to believe, that is happening today. jason hill, philosophy professor at depaul university, opposes the admission practices of harvard. jason, thank you for joining us. a lot of us grew up knowing about the discrimination of the harvard admissions department, believing they were no longer in existence, only to discover that they are, and that harvard is defending them, even caught using them. what is this? >> well, i think there is no other word to describe it than "nefarious." any institution that uses race explicitly as a way -- explicitly uses race with such zeal as the way of excluding w persons from their institutions,