there is something to be said for the fact that we have created this gang violence, this political instability in honduras and guatemala. through this addiction we have to drugs, and yet we are so hesitant to acknowledge the human cost that is marching toward us. >> tucker: i guess i'm not hesitant to acknowledge of the human cost, i am struck by your hesitance to acknowledge the over 50,000 americans who died last year of drug ods. where do they figure into this moral equation of yours? where we deserve to be in invaded because we take their drugs? what about the families of the 50,000 who died? how much time you spend thinking about them? >> all the time. i think they would be much better served we want to spend on building on a wall to rethink this country's addiction to heroin, meth, marijuana, come on, tucker, that is more usefula than a wall. >> tucker: wait -- a wall might