>> the solution i believe we need to get dol training dollars, department of training labor dollars back here to the state to train people that are in the workforce to up skill their existing labor skills and for the people who are in the education system, we need to make sure that we have apprenticeship internship and co-op programs working with businesses and not against businesses and you can find that on johnjames for senate.com. leland: we asked senator for interview and she declined. obviously the invitation stands, she suggested that we talk to local chairman of ncaap, take a listen. >> i don't think you're going to find an overwhelming number of folks african americans in particular caring up the flag for john james, it's just not there. leland: why not? >> because john james has presented himself in a way that is somewhat militaristic and