remarks. take a look at this. >> it wasn't a flip want remark. he was very serious. the circumstances are very different than what's being put out by the government. it is important that your listeners understand something, as i was pursuing this story for a very long time people were reluctant to talk about it because of the gravity of the story, that there was concern that if it got out, that rosenstein had wanted to actually wear a wire and suggested to andy mccabe, the deputy director at the time wear a wire, that rod might get fired. people were sincerely concerned about this, not because he made a flippant remark, because of the seriousness surrounding the remark. >> rod rosenstein, "the new york times" is standing by their story. andrew mccabe is one ofs the