a former secretary of state is literally unheard of. chris: congresswoman harmon, did john kerry do anything wrong? >> i don't think so. the logan act has to do with directly negotiating with a foreign power when you're not an employee or authorized by the united states to do so. he wasn't negotiating. he was taking meetings. my understanding is that he informed our government. i'm not sure where, that he was taking the meeting and he gave them the summary of what happened at the meeting. i think he has a right as a private citizen to meet with whomever he wants to, but i don't think -- i think -- i understand why mike pompeo is upset because this is a tricky moment for the administration and i think they -- i personally think they wrongly pulled out of the deal, but i don't think that kerry crossed a red line in any way. i want to say one thing about that letter, chris, if i could, and that is -- chris: the kavanaugh letter. >> the kavanaugh letter and that