have wished that pope francis said it's obvious. >> this is a witch hunt. i known him for 30 years. he is a great man. when he was there 18 years in pittsburgh, they were 19 new cases of accused priests. 18 of the 19 he threw out immediately. some people complaining about old cases he may have dealt with in sometimes. this is an honorable man and there are people across this country on the left and right, they are looking for a -- they'll go after him because he is a cardinal. you want to get the bad guys? i say i'm with you. don't start in. we had today bishop kevin rose who has been exonerated. his reputation has been ruined. he's the bishop of fort wayne because the kid's mother -- >> martha: >> let me push back on that.