change, not just a pardon here and there, although that may be great if that happens. >> laura: i get it, ben -- i get it. >> broader than that. >> laura: i get it, but why -- >> on his willingness. >> laura: okay, what i'm saying, they are doing prison reform now and he is expressed, i played in the angle, desire, perhaps which ticks off a lot of conservatives, to do a broader criminal justice reform, he's bring nothing people, including van jones, who is getting money from the n.f.l., so why not forget the politics for a moment, we could get something done with this president, even with all of our differences on issues or his tweets, you know what i'm saying, come and talk to him. i think you would find someone who would want to work on a lot of things, that is my sense. final thoughts? >> after i get off this interview, please forward me the president's number so i can contact him directly and come work. as players, we are open to