ballots themselves democrats haven't done well. he didn't help hillary clinton all that much in 2016. what is the message exactly? back then he was saying president trump would need a magic wand in order to get to 4% growth. what will he say now that trump found it? it's ridiculous. what is the economic message when the economy is booming. he was in office for eight years. >> it's a message about the future of democracy and the fact that it's endanger, so he argues, by the trump presidency and by president trump himself. >> bill: is the message trump stinks and that's -- >> if we want to talk about a threat to democracy and executive overreach who better to talk about than president obama unilaterally rewriting immigration law, throwing out obamacare mandates with the swipe of a pen. he threw out the book. went around congress. that's why his legacy is being undone because iran deals didn't go through congress,