your looked at as a stronger man. that's the formula of john mccain. this was a civics lesson to anybody that wanted to listen. why do we remember this man? because of the way he conducted his public life. >>chris: do you think there's a lesson there for presidenttrump. >> there's a lesson for everybody including president trump. everybody makes mistakes you know what you're talking about. fight hard, forgive and have passion. strength and kindness are not mutually exclusive. >>chris: let's turn to your day job and this week you'll be spending a lot of time with the senate judiciary committee and confirmation hearings for judge brett kavanaugh to be conformed on the supreme court. first of all, does he have the votes to win confirmation on the court? >> my believe he will get 55 or higher. if he does well and i'm sure he will do well. >>chris: when you say 55, you've got to have 51 republicans with the appointment of mccain's replacement. so you are saying as many as four democrats? >> well, that's 55.