removing our freedoms within that system. you know, ed, there's a reason why utopias only exist many fiction, and that's because in reality they just don't play out the way perhaps we might want them to. and, of course, it doesn't make us more free. giving us free things, you know, nothing is ever actually free. someone is always paying. and just because it's not you doesn't mean that it's not hurting other people. and that's really not a hard concept to figure out. ed: right. and corey reuben is the -- rubin is the professor involved. he's an excerpt. he says we live not in freedom, but domination. socialists want to establish freedom from rule by the boss, from the need to smile for the sake of a sale, from the obligation to sell for the sake of survival. but, kate, when you -- katie, when you get this free stuff that we're talking about, it seems to me like you're a little more dependent on the man or, in this case, big government. >> well, of course you are, and