>> come on, jason. that is absolutely untrue. you know that catch and release -- >> jason: i was on the immigration subcommittee at the judiciary committee and -- >> i understand, jason. catch and release was the obama policy. you might say that was flawed. >> jason: yes, i would. >> separation of families, zero tolerance was a trump policy. separation of families was a trump policy, -- >> jason: wasn't that an obama policy? you know it was. >> the separation of families was not an obama policy. >> jason: those pictures were not under barack obama? >> this sounds a lot like whataboutism. you are a lot better than that. >> jason: facts will prove. i like, keep going. let me ask you this. democrats are advocating, big people like kirstin gillibrand and senator warren, are advocating the abolish of i.c.e. i've never seen a national party win collection by advocating getting rid of law enforcement and trying to demonize them as