collusion, and that's where they think the pressure point is for him. >> harris: so we have michael cohen on one hand, you bring up michael flynn -- >> judy: michael cohen is clearly somebody whom the mueller commission thinks they need to do a report and prosecutors want to squeeze so they can get information on the president. whether or not that works, is unclear. >> harris: and i know that's the reporter on in you that flows to michael flynn. >> it seems there is so much breaking news, what really is breaking news anymore? >> harris: well if you are one of the michael's, this is breaking. >> there is evidence of collision between the trump campaign and the russians which is how all of this started, and as we continue to see this investigation go on, and now we