make wacky omarosa look legitimate." omarosa claims do have tapes of ivanka and trump and jared kushner. >> martha: thanks. governor mike huckabee joins now. you know a lot of people involved in all of this. does any of this surprise you? when you listen to the tape with john kelly, is there anything surprising about that conversation? >> you know there is, martha. when i listened to john kelly letting her down easy, i am thinking that's the most gentle general i have ever seen when he is firing somebody. >> martha: she said he was threatening her? >> no, he was making it clear she had integrity issues and she was understand able to stay.