be terrible. >> absolutely. let's get down to it. the media wrap on you, mr. mayor, is to keep moving the goal post. you say donald trump is dying to testify. but then you keep offering such narrow terms like some written questions, none on obstruction, you make it impossible for robert mueller to accept and then you run out the clock. >> it's not to intercept. the reality is we've made a good-faith offer to him. he did not reject it immediately. which is a good sign. i think that he would say we have negotiated in good faith. we have not given him all that he wants. we have not given him all that he would like of us. but there is a way that the president would take and answer questions. but we are just not going to subject them to what we call perjury traps. i kind of think of it as malpractice if we did.