establishment, backed by the political class, by the big money guys, which is tim and another candidate who is backed by the grass roots conservatives in the state who are looking for something different, who are looking for fundamental change, who will come in and blow up the status quo. we're seeing the same race in minnesota now. elizabeth: it's a bell weather state and towing the party line. he's a career politician and he was the governor. it is a bell weather state. he was a popular governor. he was aiming for the presidency in 2012. will he be able to get that popularity that he had over two terms? >> i don't know. he left office in the popularity of the 40s. when he left he was somewhere around where we're seeing donald trump now. since then, he's gone off to run for president. he has trashed on donald trump right before the election and skipped the endorsement process