how long it takes. >> melissa: harris? >> harris: i wanted to press in with you onning some, tom, and it has to do with the believebilt and credibility of rick gates. don't normally criminal, juries like when criminals rat on each other, right? [laughing] that gives them a little bit of street cred from what i've read and experienced. what comes out of this trial, that investigator with the russian probe might be looking at bob mueller, what do you see? they can't talk about it during the trial, it's not appropriate to bring it up. but you know mueller is watching. >> tom: great question. from my perspective this the first and most public test of mueller. and if this trial results in an acquitable, i think you will hear a vastly increased drum beat saying that this is a witch hunt, look at this, trumped-up prosecution, didn't go anywhere, that sort of thing. >> harris: no pun intended. >> tom: no pun intended. it is a public test for mueller. we haven't seen a lot of allegations really any aelss in