many in the media simply parroted that is a fact. they've used this designation as a weapon, and they have wielded it against conservative organizations, others than adf, who refused to accept their orthodoxy and choose instead to speak for their conscience. i wanted to come back here tonight partially because i wanted to say this. you are not a hate group. >> laura: joining us now with reaction, harmeet dhillon, an attorney and rnc committee woman for california, does a lot of civil-rights representation. along with joe, a civil rights attorney. great to see you both. joe, let's start with you. >> sure. >> laura: the southern poverty law center is cited by the main stream media as an unbiassed organization that is a national treasure because it, you know, it points out the bad people. there are a lot of bad people.