some of these mandatory minimum sentences that some have argued are way out of line. in fact, you may recall back in may the reality star kim kardashian actually had a meeting at the white house with the president because she was appealing on behalf of a woman alice maria johnson who was serving a mandatory life sentence in prison. she was a first-time nonviolent offender. was a middle man, if you will, in a drug transaction. and was serving life in prison. so, tim kardashian went to the white house to try to get the president to pardon her sentence. did he, in fact, give her clemenciy a week later and she is out of prison and back with family members. that's an example of the kinds of things that apparently that the president wants to accomplish to get people who shouldn't maybe spend the rest of their lives in prison to get them out of prison. save the taxpayers some money and give people a second chance. >> maria: all right. we will leave it there. rick leventhal. thank you. >> sure. ♪ >> director wray next week and ask him what is the policy? why didn't you tell