>> there is one crime alleged that has to do during paul manafort's time with the trump campaign. basically it was manafort, he was broke, he was going loan to loan, trying to get a loan to a small bank from chicago. he wanted to give the head of a bank a position on the president's economic advisor council which he did do, and said he would have a big position in the administration which he did not get. that is the only thing that occurred at the time that manna for was with the trauma campaign. the bigger issue, of course, this so-called trump russia investigation and it has nothing to do with the collusion to influence the election. >> shannon: we are learning a lot, charles, we are hearing a lot of juicy, salacious details where gates is the key witness. he took a plea deal, a partner with manafort.