of value. anything of value -- that's called and incoming contribution of the law has always looked at that just as seriously as they have looked at -- as they've looked at money exchanging hands. >> laura: oh, joe. joining me now to discuss this, former deputy trump campaign manager dave bossi, john solomon and attorney leo terrel. all right, take it away. joe was definitively putting his legal skills to work, definitively declaring it is illegal to meet with a foreign national who promises opposition research. wouldn't that call hillary's favor in question? >> that's what the clinton campaign did. if there's any collusion, it's their campaign with the fake russian dossier and paying him through the state department, through other places, through the fbi. look, they are the only ones -- the clinton campaign are the only ones that colluded during this campaign.