that if you tell one lie, he will move to file charges? >> jessica: he could not tell a lie, that's always been an option here. the president had nothing to do with the statement originally on air force one, he absolutely did an hope hicks was back on air force one this weekend which seems like a very odd timing at the two became out in the morning. don jr. said the wrong reason that the meeting happened in the first place, you have michael cohen who knows how many more tapes are going to come out for him saying actually, there were more people in the room. >> dagen: is more insidious than that. you never know what mueller has on you. despite all the prep work that his attorneys do with him and another thing is it would seem like the president wants to sit down to get this out of the way, but we don't know how far he is into this. >> kennedy: i understand the president is incredibly emphatic about his innocence. i think that he should sit down, i think that he should -- i'm sure there will be parameters. and i think he should dare them