there during the riots when they had to revamp the entire police force and got rid of manage. most people say the lapd is more respected now and more effective. does new york and los angeles leave clues? >> that's the old expression copy genius don't invented mediocrity. i was a police officer when rudy giuliani came in with bill bratton, brian. you probably remember this as well. broken windows. what is broken windows? you see a broken window you fix it you don't wait for the building to fall down. in other words you see a guy jump in a turnstile get on a train free in new york. they used to let him go. brian: the squeegee guys. >> i got news for you the guy who jumped the turnstile was the guy who committed the more serious crime. you don't let them go jumping the turnstile. run his name find out he has a warrant and doesn't rob someone on the subway.