loaning out money and not bringing in a lot. it was a struggle. mark: i'm asking this because you came from very little, you didn't go to college, you didn't get a high school diploma, and according to many people in our country, that's it, you're never going to succeed, and you're an example of somebody who says, wait a minute, i've got my oin own brain, i've got my two hands, relatively good health. i am going to succeed. and in america i can succeed. is that right? >> it's true. you know i think it would be a lot harder to do the same thing today because there is so much government bs you have to go through. there's constantly a new law, some new rule regulation, more and more difficult to fire a bad employee. i mean, in the 80s, i could go