the president former speaker of the house newt gingrich spoke about whether a shutdown would be good for republicans ahead of the election. >> the president gets in a fight where the issue is not just the wall but a democratic party committed to open borders and wide open migration with no controls versus a republican party trying to protect you from criminals, i think that's a dead loser for the democrats in october. >> newt gingrich lost the republican majority when he shut down the government. i find that very interesting. >> he did a couple other things, too. >> bill: setting up a contrast with the obama, ice issue and setting that up with a president who wants stronger immigration. that's the contrast. >> the president's policies are popular. i think they do win support. what the republicans on capitol hill don't want is the republicans to get the blame for the shutdown if it comes. >> the president's interests