instead of meeting with the russians. but, when you are told that we have got some dirt on your opponent and you have a meeting, that's not collusion, is it? >> well, i'm going to leave it to someone else like bob mueller and republicans and democrats in congress to decide what collusion is, which is basically essentially thought a crime but then converge into conspiracy of which it would be impeachable offense. we have to have all the final details and we don't. i do think that michael cohen is not a credible source. i think donald trump's word ♪ credible. i think rudy giuliani's word has proven not credible. i'm not going to believe any of them until i find out what the facts are there is a blocked phone call in john don jr.'s phone records. asked him does your father have a blocked phone? is that the person you called about the meeting? and he says he doesn't know. he doesn't know. we're going to have to wait for someone who actually knows. i don't really listen to any of them with a great hope.