viewed as having lied to federal law enforcement. i'm not sure that's the case. it's another potentially bad headline if it's true, but i'm not necessarily sure it's any legal jeopardy. >> laura: andy, the veselnitskaya woman was there to push the magnitsky act. she was trying to get him to push congress on that magnitsky act because of russian adoptions. the whole thing, it has nothing to do with hillary. big scam, big play. sounds like they were played in that meeting. jared was bored. he got up. manafort walked out. it was a big nothing. if this is where they are, on this level, and for going to get to the twitter issue in a moment. what is it tell you about the state of the mueller investigation? >> seems to me the mueller investigation is winding down to a conclusion. that investigation of that indictment they brought recently against the 12 russians who are