socialism, i think what people focus on. >> harris: is not my words, their democratic socialist. >> i'm not arguing that they're not democratic socialist. i'm saying the collective you, not you. when people hear socialism, the excellent average american on the street, they don't know. if you talk to the average independent voter and say would you support a candidate who wants to give you medicare, which is the party candidate who supports $15 minimum wages. >> harris: they want to apologize apologize. feel as long as we have this demonstration in place, a bulging eyes is not going to change that but there are many people who support that because that's not a scary thing. we survived a long time without eyes, it's only 15 years old. that's not what not what republicans can hang their argument on to buy these candidates are so scary. as republicans were concerned. >> harris: tiffany says his word socialism has people running for the hills and that is scary, what do you say? >> i don't think that's necessarily true and i think a lot of the elites on the politically left center left