first. >> sure. paul: that's favoritism to google. >> well, yes, but you get the operating system for free rather than spending billions of dollars -- paul: develop your own, yeah. >> and samsung for example puts their own apps on there. users can hit delete and put their own apps on it. it is just like the pc business and the browser wars. in a sense it became obsolete almost at the time that microsoft got their hands slapped. paul: so you think they are looking through the rearview mirror here and technology will somehow make all of this irrelevant? >> yeah, i mean, phones have already peaked, right? i mean we're starting to look at what the next platform might be. but my issue is, if you're google, what do you do? they are going to appeal. they have appealed, that's fine. but you can't let the european commission of competition get away with it. if i was google, i would do the following. there's a billion plus android phones that ship every year. got to figure at least 100 million, probably multiple hundred millions ship into