person. >> juan: you and i used to argue about the institutionalization. the homelessness problem and the problem with people with post-traumatic stress syndrome or somehow they are destabilized maybe mentally incapacitateside a big problem nationwide. the big cities especially. the affluent big cities and affluent states that are more democratic, more compassionate, if you will, in terms. >> katie: oh, come on. >> juan: they get and these places are out of control. >> greg: that's not compassion. >> jesse: when you have a statistic $37,000 taxpayer money spent per homeless person yet the homeless crisis is raging in san francisco. we had a similar statistic in baltimore. they spend more money per pupil in the school districts in baltimore than almost like any other city in this country and they have the worst test scores. maybe spending a lot of money and throwing money at the problem doesn't always help. >> juan: juan, let me just say that you and i happen to