that. counterterrorism expert formerly with the fbi, now with cnn and what he is saying. >> curious point in american government. when do we see almost a shadow government say we cannot side with the governor, the cabinet or the senate? >> what do you make of that? what does that say to you? is called treason but there's a deep state out there. there 2 million federal employees most of whom are in hard-working jobs but there's an element in each of these department and agencies that no matter who is in the presidency they are going to push back, they don't wantóñ?ñ? accountabi they don't want to be understood, they don't want that veil to come back so when you have a hard charging devon nunez for instance who is going to move heaven and earth to look under that hood, then guess